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Can someone explain what is negative elapsing ?

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Every bit per the definition "Duration is the average time one has to wait till the payment is received". Going by this if, say, duration is two.5 years means I would receive my money in ~2.5 years. Well.

But, as you may be aware, there are some securities IO strips and FRNs, which are said to exhibit negative duration. I have not seen in terms of numbers merely say duration for an IO is -1.0. What does this mean in terms of in a higher place definition.

Just if I google, the explanation given in terms of the toll movement similar to involvement rates. For example, they say the price of IO increases when interest rates increase (equally opposed to decrease due to inverse cost yield relation).

Just I would like to understand STRICTLY from the point of view of the definition i.e. Duration is the average time one has to wait till the payment is received. In this case can we say, I receive my money before even I pay something for the security ??? How IOs accept negative duration?

Thank you in advance.

FRMBHB

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1: non the answer to your question: Personally, I would think this has to practice with having a short position in a bail or having a long floating rate bond. If you short sell a bond, the other person'south gain is your loss. So if he has a duration of 2.five years, if interest rates fall, the price of the bond increases. The short position, on the other hand, has a decrease in the price of bond if involvement rates autumn. This would imply negative two.5 years duration.

If interests rise, the price of the floating charge per unit bond increases too.

I don't recollect it is possible to have a strictly negative duration vanilla bond without modifications.

For the instance of an Interest Only bond or note, if information technology's role of a CMO, if involvement rates rise prepayments slow, meaning the accrued coupon is higher to the IO holder.

*http://accruedint.blogspot.com/2007/07/how-does-cmo-work.html {from: So they create a tranche.}

an attempt to answer your question: I don't think that strictly from the definition of duration this can exist chosen Duration. The reason it's usually called duration is because the mathematical relationship holds for Duration and Interest Rate sensitivity. Typically, the interest sensitivity, which is calculated as the partial derivative of the bail pricing formula, happens to exist equal to the Duration formula. When there is negative duration like in CMO IO's, I think the economic intuition of Duration no longer holds and it should merely be referred to equally interest charge per unit sensitivity.

So the original formula, permit's telephone call it Sensitivity (South), is equal to Duration (D).

D = S, for all D >=0. When D<0, the D loses its meaning in terms of economic intuition, but might still be valid for adding purposes.

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@Dmitrij: Thank you for the reply.

Any idea where D more than than maturity. Somewhere I read the term 'risk adj D' where in due to default of a security, the recovery may accept more time beyond maturity of security, in that case, D > maturity. Whatsoever thoughts

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David Harper CFA FRM
@Dmitrij - great respond!

@FRMBHB,

I've definitely been "guilty" of using that duration definition, although from that perspective, more recently I much prefer "[Macaulay] Elapsing is the weighted-average maturity of the bond, where the weights are the PV of the cash flows" considering it precisely characterizes the manual-calc approach to Mac elapsing (e.g., http://www.bionicturtle.com/how-to/spreadsheet/2011.t4.c.4.-durations 1st tab, right panel).
... although information technology's yet not obvious how to defend this definition in the case of negative duration

But I notice the newly assigned Veronesi text says the following (p 190, Fixed Income Securities) and notice he says pretty much that aforementioned thing Dmitrij says [emphasis mine]: "This example [i.e., floating charge per unit bond] shows that even if the boilerplate time of time to come greenbacks flows can be relatively long ... the duration tin be very small. Conversely we will meet securities for which the duration is actually longer than their maturity, or securities for which the duration is negative. Given that in modern times the notion of duration is mainly used for risk management purposes, and in particular to compute the sensitivity of a security to parallel shifts in the term structure, we must be conscientious in interpreting duration every bit an boilerplate time of future payments, as this interpretation only holds for securities with fixed greenbacks flows. "

Re: "Any idea where D more maturity:" The classic instance of a security with D > Thousand is an changed floater.

Thank you, David

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IOs accept negative elapsing?
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Nicole Seaman
IOs have negative duration?
Howdy @niteshkadam05

The following thread may exist helpful in answering your question: https://forum.bionicturtle.com/threads/negative-convexity.5617/post-15879. There are other discussions in the forum regarding IOs having negative elapsing. If yous use the search part and search for "io-strips" or "negative-duration" yous volition see a list of all of the threads that discuss this. You can also utilize the tag characteristic Hither to search for threads discussing this.

Nicole

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